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One True God Manifesting Himself in Three Unique Ways


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BombShelterBob
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You said there was only one throne but i think the Bible says in more than one place that Jesus will sit at the right hand of the father.
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biblejunkie
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The term 'right hand' is figurative and refers to a position of authority. The gospels clarify this 3 times:

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Revelation is pretty clear that there is one throne and Jesus is the one God sitting on that one throne.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.


Look what Jesus said in Rev 1:

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Jesus is the lone creator:

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
God identified in the Bible

1 John 5:20; And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

1 John 1:3; That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that you also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:22-23; Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. V.23; Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2 John 9-10; Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God, He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. V.10; If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.

Jude 4; For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:4-5; Who will have all men to be saved, and come unto the knowledge of the truth. V.5; For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Ephesians 4:6; One God and Father of all, who is above all. And through all, and in you all.

1 Corinthians 8:6; But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 4:23-24; But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. V.24; God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2 Corinthians 6:16-18; And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. V.17; Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, V.18; And be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the lord Almighty.

Romans 8:14; For as many as are led by the Spriit of God, they are the sons of God.

Colossians 2:9; For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Philippians 2:6; Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

All of the opening salutaions of the epistles acknowledge the Father and Son Jesus Christ only. Example: 2 Timothy 1:2; "To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord." There is no recognition of a Triune Godhead, or a third person Holy Ghost. As the above verses make clear, the Holy Spirit is the mind and power of the Father given through only one mediator, and that is Christ Jesus.

Athanasian Trinitarianism is nowhere taught in the Bible. It is unbiblical, and a Roman Catholic corruption.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: modalism Reply with quote
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I believe that the Bible teaches that God is a trinity of Persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Now let's look at some passages which describe the Holy Spirit as a Person:

The Holy Spirit...
is called God - Acts 5:3-4
created the world - Genesis 1:1-2, Job 33:4 (perhaps)
is eternal - Rom. 8:11; Heb. 9:14
is omnipresent - Psalm 139:7-10 (perhaps)
is omniscient - John 16:13, 14, 1 Cor. 2:10-11
resurrects us - Rom. 8:11
indwells us - John 14:17
knows us - 1 Cor. 2:10
sanctifies us - 1 Pet. 1:2
seals us for our inheritance - Eph. 1:13, 14
empowers us - Titus 3:6
gives us life - 2 Cor. 3:6-8, Titus 3:5
has a will - 1 Cor. 12:11
speaks - Acts 8:29; 11:12; 13:2
expresses emotions - Rom. 15:30, Eph. 4:30

I can also include a post on the history of the trinity, FYI, from some research I've done, if anyone is interested.

Perhaps you aren't interested in my input, but I felt that I needed to say something here. This is a serious issue, and could cause Christians not to patronize this forum... in fact, it probably already has.

Thx,

Cap



These are typical verses that Trinitarians refer to in attempting to prove that the Holy Spirit is a coequal third member of the Godhead. The fact is that they are all taken out of context. All one needs to do is pay a little attention to the context of what is being discussed before jumping to conclusions.

As an example, in Acts 5:3-4: “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost…”

This is the typical conclusion Trinitarians come to whenever they see the words “Holy Ghost.” All one needs do is read verse four to understand who the Holy Ghost is: “Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” God, here, is a reference to the Father and not some third person. Also read verse 32. It is God, the Father that gives his spirit to Christians – not a third person.

How about Romans 8:11: “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”
Again, the Spirit shown here can easily be identified as the Father, since it was he that raised up Christ and no one else. Galatians 1:1; “Paul an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)" There are also many other verses that say the Father raised Jesus from the dead.

1 Thess. 1:10; “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” Eph. 1:13, see verse 17. I won’t hit all the verses above,so as not to make this post too long, but this gives an idea of how Scripture is corrupted to try and prove Trinity. It helps to pay attention to context.
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